EIT does not get updated when inserting transponders manually

[martin@…]

If somebody adds the transponders manually or imports a channel.conf file, the TID and NID does not get updated in the dtv_multiplex table. This seems to not harm the ability of viewing Live TV; but the EITScanner is unable to get the Guide data.

Additionally theres no field in the "add transponders" - menu of mythtv-setup to insert them.

As long as a "Full Scan" on a frequency is performed - TID and NID are inserted correctly. Do a full scan or insert the right values in the dtv_multiplex table and the EITScanner works.

[anonymous]

Replying to martin@…:

I can confirm that problem still there. Rescanning from channels.conf kills EID. Manual tuned scan makes it works.

mythbackend version: branches/release-0-22-fixes [22594] www.mythtv.org

If somebody adds the transponders manually or imports a channel.conf file, the TID and NID does not get updated in the dtv_multiplex table. This seems to not harm the ability of viewing Live TV; but the EITScanner is unable to get the Guide data.

Additionally theres no field in the "add transponders" - menu of mythtv-setup to insert them.

As long as a "Full Scan" on a frequency is performed - TID and NID are inserted correctly. Do a full scan or insert the right values in the dtv_multiplex table and the EITScanner works.

[Kaacz]

still same in trunk [23330] too ..

[mythtv@…]

This also appears to have the side affect of crashing the DVB-T HDHomerun

If a mux hasnt been correctly updated with the TID or NID attempting to view any channel within it causes the mythbackend log to fill up with:

"HDHRSH::TunerSet?() Failed. Trying qam_16:546000000" (number depending on the mux)

The frontend then dumps with an 'irrecoverable tuner error' and the backend eventually crashes.

Inserting the TID or NID manually, or by a full scan fixes this

[glemsom@…]

I can confirm this issue is still in mythtv-0.23@25427.
Some users are relying on importing a channel.conf - since a full-scan from MythTV does not find all channels (NOT related to this bug!).

[niels@…]

I found a related problem, ie the EIT scanner is correctly activated etc, but no EIT data is processed. After some debugging it seems the dvbstreamdata isn't activated, but just the mpegstreamdata. Sofar I found that in tv_rec.cpp TVRec::SetupDTVSignalMonitor, the tuningmode isn't equal to 'dvb' but has 'mpeg'. When I remove the extra check on tuningmode == dvb, the EIT scanner starts to function. Hope this helps in finding why EIT seems to fail.

[stuarta]

Hmmmm, if the channels are marked as "mpeg" and not as "dvb" then that is potentially a problem in the channel scanner rather than in EIT itself.

Stuart

[Niels Nes <niels@…>]

could I check the mysql dtv* or channels table to see if the channel scanner made some mistake. Channels were scanned in the channels.conf/delete all/scan - using known transports.

Niels

[Niels Nes <niels@…>]

could it be that sistandard in the dtv_multiplex should be filled in (now empty) for all transports?

[Niels Nes <niels@…>]

After setting the dtv_multiplex.sistandard for my dvb-c cards to dvb, the non-patched version also works. ie when loading the transports via channel.conf may also have caused the problem.

[stuartm]

We have always stated that EIT would not work if channels are imported via channels.conf and that's why we do not recommend the use of channels.conf instead of the internal scanner.

Yes the internal scanner has it's faults, but too few users bother to report them meaning they will never get fixed.

[Niels Nes <niels@…>]

the internal scanner failed indeed, but could very well be caused by a bad cable (did that scan some time ago). For various posts I saw that EIT doesn't work with channels.conf. Some however do report success with re-using the transports from this scan. That clearly doesn't work if the networkid and sistandard aren't correct. All fixable by a simple (for dvb only setup)

update dtv_multiplex set networkid = <networkid>, sistandard = 'dvb'; anyway thanks for the help.

[anonymous@…]

I can confirm that problem still there. Rescanning from channels.conf kills EID. Manual tuned scan makes it works.

mythbackend version: branches/release-0-22-fixes [22594] www.mythtv.org

If somebody adds the transponders manually or imports a channel.conf file, the TID and NID does not get updated in the dtv_multiplex table. This seems to not harm the ability of viewing Live TV; but the EITScanner is unable to get the Guide data.

Additionally theres no field in the "add transponders" - menu of mythtv-setup to insert them.

As long as a "Full Scan" on a frequency is performed - TID and NID are inserted correctly. Do a full scan or insert the right values in the dtv_multiplex table and the EITScanner works.

comment:2 Changed 20 months ago by Kaacz

still same in trunk [23330] too ..

comment:3 Changed 18 months ago by mythtv@…

This also appears to have the side affect of crashing the DVB-T HDHomerun

If a mux hasnt been correctly updated with the TID or NID attempting to view any channel within it causes the mythbackend log to fill up with:

"HDHRSH::TunerSet??() Failed. Trying qam_16:546000000" (number depending on the mux)

The frontend then dumps with an 'irrecoverable tuner error' and the backend eventually crashes.

Inserting the TID or NID manually, or by a full scan fixes this

comment:4 Changed 14 months ago by glemsom@…

I can confirm this issue is still in mythtv-0.23@25427. Some users are relying on importing a channel.conf - since a full-scan from MythTV does not find all channels (NOT related to this bug!).

comment:5 Changed 14 months ago by robertm

Status changed from new to assigned comment:6 Changed 14 months ago by niels@…

I found a related problem, ie the EIT scanner is correctly activated etc, but no EIT data is processed. After some debugging it seems the dvbstreamdata isn't activated, but just the mpegstreamdata. Sofar I found that in tv_rec.cpp TVRec::SetupDTVSignalMonitor, the tuningmode isn't equal to 'dvb' but has 'mpeg'. When I remove the extra check on tuningmode == dvb, the EIT scanner starts to function. Hope this helps in finding why EIT seems to fail.

comment:7 Changed 14 months ago by stuarta

Hmmmm, if the channels are marked as "mpeg" and not as "dvb" then that is potentially a problem in the channel scanner rather than in EIT itself.

Stuart

comment:8 Changed 14 months ago by Niels Nes <niels@…>

could I check the mysql dtv* or channels table to see if the channel scanner made some mistake. Channels were scanned in the channels.conf/delete all/scan - using known transports.

Niels

comment:9 Changed 14 months ago by Niels Nes <niels@…>

could it be that sistandard in the dtv_multiplex should be filled in (now empty) for all transports?

comment:10 Changed 14 months ago by Niels Nes <niels@…>

After setting the dtv_multiplex.sistandard for my dvb-c cards to dvb, the non-patched version also works. ie when loading the transports via channel.conf may also have caused the problem.

comment:11 Changed 14 months ago by stuartm

We have always stated that EIT would not work if channels are imported via channels.conf and that's why we do not recommend the use of channels.conf instead of the internal scanner.

Yes the internal scanner has it's faults, but too few users bother to report them meaning they will never get fixed.

comment:12 Changed 14 months ago by Niels Nes <niels@…>

the internal scanner failed indeed, but could very well be caused by a bad cable (did that scan some time ago). For various posts I saw that EIT doesn't work with channels.conf. Some however do report success with re-using the transports from this scan. That clearly doesn't work if the networkid and sistandard aren't correct. All fixable by a simple (for dvb only setup)

Comprar el  Dolar Hoy

update dtv_multiplex set networkid = <networkid>, sistandard = 'dvb'; anyway thanks for the help.

[stuartm]

As stated a year ago, this isn't a bug, it's a limitation of using channel.conf instead of the internal scanner. Closing this as invalid since it's at best a feature request without patch - at worst it's about extending a temporary workaround instead of fixing internal scanner bugs.

[dekarl@…]

patch written to file format description (untested)

[dekarl@…]

extended patch, now with more brains

[dekarl@…]

third version, now compiles without error, doh.